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A sociological observation worth adding to the above. When reading debates like this one, it's hard not to think of the story of the child who, reading about older times, laughs upon discovering that people once believed the sun revolved around the earth. The wise grandfather chimes in: "and if the sun did revolve around the earth, I wonder what that would look like?"

The point being: if a system genuinely captured by lobby interests and a system that simply shares material interests with those lobby interests would behave identically in most observable cases, then pointing to the behaviour as evidence against capture doesn't settle the question. The diplomat expulsion, the Bell appointment, the UNRWA funding — a sophisticated capture argument would expect exactly this kind of managed, partial deference, precisely because maintaining legitimacy requires it.

The two explanations may be observationally equivalent at the level of outcomes. That doesn't make them the same thing — the structural analysis Latham is reaching for matters — but it does mean the argument can't be resolved by pointing to outcomes alone. And if the two hypotheses can't be distinguished by observable behaviour, then insisting they are mutually exclusive isn't just analytically questionable. It's epistemologically confused.

The deeper issue is that lobbying and material interests aren't independent variables to be weighed against each other. Organised political pressure shapes the distribution of material interests over time, and the distribution of material interests shapes what political pressure is possible. That's precisely what politics does. A framework that treats the two as competing explanations risks the strange conclusion that politics doesn't actually do anything — that organised human action is merely an expression of structural forces rather than also a constituent part of them.

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This is a genuinely well-written, valuable piece and we'd love to discuss the possibility of republishing it on our Substack.

The following critique comes from a place of sharing much of the analysis (materialist-pragmatic stance vs moralist one), and the emphasis in a few places feels slightly off — understandably so, given the argumentative work it needs to do to make the case legible against the lobby-capture framing.

The core issue is that the piece is structured around a dichotomy that isn't quite as clean as it needs to be to sustain the argument. The lobby-capture explanation and the material-interests explanation aren't mutually exclusive — and the piece itself gestures at this, implicitly and explicitly. Most tellingly, when discussing the US, it notes that "Netanyahu lobbied Trump into the Iran war," which is a lobby explanation, not a material interests one.

The two are always operating simultaneously, which is rather the point: effective political power is both derived from the distribution of material interests and from the raw organisational pressure a group can apply, which effectively alters the distribution of material interests. These are two sides of the same thing, not competing hypotheses.

There is also a pervasive strawman running in a related direction. The piece argues against total capture by showing that the system retains independence — and it's right that it does. But nobody making the capture argument seriously claims total capture. If the system were completely captured, contesting it or even claiming that it is captured would be pointless. It is labelled that way and contested precisely because it is only partially captured, operating within an unfolding socio-material world where interests shift and pressure matters. That's not a refutation of the capture argument; it's a description of what politics is.

The same tension appears in the strategic conclusion. The recommendation to defend incremental departures, build constituency around them, and win the centre is a reasonable one — but it's presented as if it forecloses the more demanding strategies, but the historical record doesn’t support that framing.

Movements have generally benefited from having both a more threatening wing and a more conciliatory one: the radical flank creates the political conditions for concessions; the moderate flank makes those concessions imaginable and safe for governments to grant. MLK and Malcolm X, the moderate and radical wings of the ANC, similar dynamics in Ireland and India — in each case neither wing worked as well alone. Why grant anything if there is no threat? And if the threat is too great, the most likely response is repression rather than concession. The two strategies aren't alternatives; they're complements.

This bears directly on the Royal Commission critique. The piece treats those who distrust the RC process as politically naive or self-defeating. But critics who denounce the process are doing exactly what a materialist analysis would predict: applying pressure against partial capture, refusing to legitimate a process they believe is constrained in ways that matter — Bell working within the IHRA definition, and giving voice mostly to Zionist peak organisations being a real example of that.

Both the more confrontational responses and the legitimate demands for international law compliance are forms of lobbying in the contest over institutional direction, in direct tension with what the lobby is trying to do. It is a political fight over the distribution of socio-material interests.

To call one of these naively self-undermining is to underestimate both the complexity of the political field and the materialist framework the piece itself offers. The deeper point is that respecting international law properly isn't just a moral demand — it's a generalised interest for everyone, including the Australian Jewish diaspora. That's the strongest materialist argument available, and it doesn't require excluding the more demanding voices to make it.

Revitalising labour will likely require an accurate reading of the distribution of material interests as well as multiple points of pressure in various forms.

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